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IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2013-08-05
<nalaginrut> hi guys, I'm new here. I'm a developer from Guile community, and I think maybe it's a proper time to do some work to make GNU stuff use Guile increasingly, but I found the wiki and docs seems a bit old, and I can't find an entry from Hurd source, since there're too many things. Anyone point me out? <nalaginrut> thanks <nlightnfotis> nalaginrut what exactly is it that you need help with? <nalaginrut> I've no idea, I saw MIG and I think if it's a language I can write a front-end on Guile platform. But someone suggest me write hurd binding will be a good start <nalaginrut> I cloned incubator which is cl-binding for hurd, but I've no idea too, since there's nothing in master branch <pinotree> well, fixing guile on the hurd would be a start: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=guile-2.0 <braunr> i won't talk about this, as my personal opinion on the matter is that it's not a proper time to do it <braunr> but at the same time, people should do what they're interested in <braunr> so feel free to do it <nalaginrut> braunr: is there any reason why it's not a proper time? <braunr> nalaginrut: two words: mig sucks <nalaginrut> so it'll be replaced by a new stuff? <teythoon> any more reasons to have alternatives, no? <braunr> sure, please do it :) <braunr> actually it's more than just mig <braunr> the low level internals of the hurd are almost fine, but not good enough to reliably develop over it <braunr> gccgo is currently proving it <braunr> and such projects are good opportunities to identify and fix such issues <braunr> but the, if you want to work on guile, be prepared to work on a lot more than just guile <nalaginrut> I'm afraid I have to collect the reasons and evaluate when is proper to do that, if Hurd has to be redesigned, it is not a proper time ;-) <braunr> it also happened with openjdk, jeremie had to fix signals (!) <nalaginrut> anyway, I just want a suggestion how to start <pinotree> <pinotree> well, fixing guile on the hurd would be a start: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=guile-2.0 <nalaginrut> ok, I'll try <antrik> nalaginrut: "incubator" is a somewhat strange beast. every branch in there is a completely different project. you have to find the right branch for the CL bindings... <nalaginrut> antrik: thanks for reply, I guess it's clisp branch? <pinotree> nalaginrut: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/source_repositories/incubator.html <antrik> nalaginrut: sounds like it :-) <antrik> braunr: I'm believe it's important to encourage work on as many different levels as possible. there is no motivation for fixing low-level issues unless there are some interesting high-level things relying on these... <braunr> antrik: i agree <braunr> 11:50 < braunr> but at the same time, people should do what they're interested in <antrik> in fact, it's pretty much impossible to identify what we really need at the lower levels unless working on high-level stuff as well... <braunr> yes <braunr> 11:57 < braunr> but the, if you want to work on guile, be prepared to work on a lot more than just guile <nalaginrut> I prepare to work on Hurd, is that an fair answer? <antrik> nalaginrut: perfect! ;-) <nalaginrut> ;-) well, easy to say, but I'll try what I can do <antrik> yeah, just see how far you get. might be an interesting ride :-)